岩本 慎三郎 / Shinzaburo Iwamoto #6

岩本:十万年後は安全って言ってるわけでしょ。十万年ってどういうことよってさ。十万年の人類って、ってさ。わたしそういう古い人類がどうだったのかとかよく知らないけどさ。笑 縄文時代が一番長く続くわけでしょ?・・・十万年前の人類がどういう人類だったのか。過去のごみを十万年保管しなくちゃいけないって言うね。結局それを、今いろんな候補があがってるけど日本中どこも引き受けるとこないでしょう。そりゃあうちの庭先に埋めてくださいっていう人はだれもいない。だから結局ね、双葉町、おおくま町のあたりに持っていこうっていう話なの。その福島原発の廃棄物だけじゃなくて日本全国の廃棄物を。そういう形で、だからまあ、特に福島の自然を破壊してるっていうことが一つね。破壊っていうじゃ喪失だよね。「国破れて山河在り」っていう言葉があるけど、戦争に負けて全部壊されたけど山と川だけが残ったっていう。だから原発っていうのは山河もなくなるんだよね。笑 海もなくなる。要するに失われるわけ。その、国土が。だから、日の丸を掲げた右翼だって原発に反対する人は出てくるんだよ、それはまともな右翼だよおれに言わせれば。笑 右翼がかかげたスローガン最近見てたけど「子供たちの未来と麗しき国土を守れ」って、のぼりがあってさ。これは必ず日の丸と一緒に。子供たちの未来と麗しき国土を守れって、これは俺も賛成だよ。右翼じゃないけどね。賛成ですよ。それがひとつ。福島の問題のひとつ。それは、半分でさ、もうひとつは人間関係の破壊、自然の破壊と同時に。それはすさまじいよ。その、ようするに、逃げたくても逃げられない人がいるわけ、福島から。なぜかっていうとお金がないから。あるいは年寄りを抱えててもういまさら仮設にひっこすこともできない。というひとはもうそこに多少線量が、それが危ないと思おうが、住み続ける以外ない人がいるわけ。だけども、こどももいるからやっぱりにげなくちゃっていうひともいるわけ。だから家庭の中に学校の中に地域の中に分裂が生まれてるわけ。いがみ合いが起こるわけ。離散っていうか、家族が空中分解したなんて無数にあるんじゃない?3.11をきっかけに。だからそういうときも、いろんなこと聞くよ。こないだ聞いたのはね、福島ではミネラルウォーターって売ってるでしょ?東京でも危ないっていうけど福島でも水道水危ないって思う人は当然いるじゃない、そうするとミネラルウォーターを車で買ってきてかついでいくと、そうすると白い目で見られると。まだそんなことを心配してるのかと。「いいよね、金持ちは」という目で見られると。


Iwamoto: They say it will be safe 100000 years later. What is that? What are humans like in 100000 years? I don’t really know how people in 100000 years ago (laugh). There was the Joumon period as the longest…..what were human beings like 100000 years ago? Wast from the past will be kept for 100000 years. Now there are several cities as candidacies to bury the nuclear waste, but I think no one will accept it. Obviously there’s no one who offers his back yard for it. They say it will be Futaba city or Okuma city to bring not only the nuclear waste from Fukushima nuclear power plants but waste from all over Japan. One of the problems is that they are destroying environment in Fukushima this way. It’s not destroying but rather loosing. There is an ancient Chinese poem “The country is destroyed: yet mountains and rivers remain”, meaning that there’s only mountain and river remained after everything is destroyed by loosing a war. But in the case of nuclear, even the mountain and river will be gone (laugh). Ocean too. They will be lost, the land itself. That is why the right wing with Japanese flag is against nuclear. In my opinion those kind of right wing is the “right” right wing (laugh). I recently have seen the right wing’s slogans and one of them were saying “Protect chidren’s future and beautiful country (land).” It is always with the Japanese flag. Protecting children’s future and beautiful country, I agree with them too! though I am not right wing. I agree. That’s one of the Fukushima’s problem. And the other is the destruction of human relationship along with the nature destruction. It’s amazing. I mean, there are people who cannot leave Fukushima even though they want to, because they don’t have enough money. Or because they have a family member who is very old and cannot move in to the temporary housing at this point. For those people, they have no choice but to continue living there no matter the radiation is risky. But there are also people who think they have to leave there because they have children. That creates disunion within family, school, and eventually lead to snarling. Like disintegration, I think there are numbers of family which were just collapsed because of 3.11. I hear many cases. The one I hear recently is about the mineral water (bottled water). Some people in Tokyo consider tap water contaminated but in Fukushima also some people think it is dangerous too. But when they buy the water and bring back to the house and take them out from the car, neighbors give them a cold look, like “you still worrying about it.” They get reputation like “rich people are different”.